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หลายครั้งที่ดิฉันเปิด dictionary แล้วเจอ ʃn และ ʃən อยากทราบว่าการออกเสียงต่างกันอย่างไร และมีหลักการอะไรในการทำความเข้าใจว่าคำไหนควรจะเป็น ʃn หรือ ʃən
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ความแตกต่างระหว่าง ʃn และ ʃən
Re: ความแตกต่างระหว่าง ʃn และ ʃən
hello Kh Narisa,
I assume you mean for suffixes like -tion and -cian (with various spellings) in words like "introduction", "attraction" or "magician". I think you know that in unstressed syllables like these, the vowels in English are usually reduced. But in practice, the degree of reduction (how much it's reduced) can vary according to factors like how carefully or quickly someone is speaking. So, the way it's transcribed can also vary. Personally, I think it's good to have a vowel sound in every syllable (because -tion and similar suffixes definitely form a syllable, even if it's unstressed), so i would prefer to use ʃən. However, the alternative is also possible. Hope that helps!
I assume you mean for suffixes like -tion and -cian (with various spellings) in words like "introduction", "attraction" or "magician". I think you know that in unstressed syllables like these, the vowels in English are usually reduced. But in practice, the degree of reduction (how much it's reduced) can vary according to factors like how carefully or quickly someone is speaking. So, the way it's transcribed can also vary. Personally, I think it's good to have a vowel sound in every syllable (because -tion and similar suffixes definitely form a syllable, even if it's unstressed), so i would prefer to use ʃən. However, the alternative is also possible. Hope that helps!
Re: ความแตกต่างระหว่าง ʃn และ ʃən
ขอเสริมอาจารย์คริสค่ะ บางพจนานุกรม ใส่สระค่ะ บางเล่ม ใช้รูปที่ลดไปเลย /ʃn/ เพราะพยางค์นั้นไม่ได้บงเสียงหนัก ดังที่อาจารย์คริสได้อธิบายข้างต้น
ทั้งนี้ ในฐานะนักศึกษาเอกภาษาอังกฤษ นักศึกษาควรอธิบายได้ว่า เพราะเหตุใด /ʃn/ จึงใช้ (unstressed syllable) และหากเขียนเต็ม จะเป็น /ʃən/
ทั้งนี้ ในฐานะนักศึกษาเอกภาษาอังกฤษ นักศึกษาควรอธิบายได้ว่า เพราะเหตุใด /ʃn/ จึงใช้ (unstressed syllable) และหากเขียนเต็ม จะเป็น /ʃən/
Re: ความแตกต่างระหว่าง ʃn และ ʃən
Dear Teacher Chrish and Teacher Chirasiri,
Thank you for the information. I mean the phonetic symble in the same word as sometimes I found the same words are using a different phonetic symbol (ʃn, ʃən) in each dictionaries such as “introduction” and “communication” ;
• Oxford dictionary: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... troduction
- Introduction /ˌɪntrəˈdʌkʃn/
- Communication /kəˌmjuːnɪˈkeɪʃn/
• Cambridge dictionary : https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... troduction
- Introduction /ˌɪn.trəˈdʌk.ʃən/
- Communication /kəˌmjuː.nɪˈkeɪ.ʃən/
I wonder that which one is correct or should be used in case that I have to identify its phonetic symbols in word stress. And one more question, which one is more reliable between Oxford dictionary and Cambridge dictionary?
Thank you so much.
Thank you for the information. I mean the phonetic symble in the same word as sometimes I found the same words are using a different phonetic symbol (ʃn, ʃən) in each dictionaries such as “introduction” and “communication” ;
• Oxford dictionary: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... troduction
- Introduction /ˌɪntrəˈdʌkʃn/
- Communication /kəˌmjuːnɪˈkeɪʃn/
• Cambridge dictionary : https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... troduction
- Introduction /ˌɪn.trəˈdʌk.ʃən/
- Communication /kəˌmjuː.nɪˈkeɪ.ʃən/
I wonder that which one is correct or should be used in case that I have to identify its phonetic symbols in word stress. And one more question, which one is more reliable between Oxford dictionary and Cambridge dictionary?
Thank you so much.
Re: ความแตกต่างระหว่าง ʃn และ ʃən
Both are correct! If you choose to analyze the -tion sound as /ʃn/, this is what linguists call a "syllabic consonant". There really should be a little bar under the n, in that case. (Possible syllabic consonants in English are l, r, m and n.) Unfortunately, our textbook doesn't spend much time discussing reduced syllables, which is what -tion is. Here are some links if you are curious:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_an ... in_English
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllabic_consonant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAd_dIK2eKw
Rachel, the woman in the Youtube video, gives a detailed analysis of what your tongue is doing with these sounds. Check it out!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_an ... in_English
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllabic_consonant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAd_dIK2eKw
Rachel, the woman in the Youtube video, gives a detailed analysis of what your tongue is doing with these sounds. Check it out!
Re: ความแตกต่างระหว่าง ʃn และ ʃən
Dear Teacher Chrish,
Thank you so much for your information. That very useful for me. I am really appreciate.
regards,
Thank you so much for your information. That very useful for me. I am really appreciate.
regards,
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